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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.2 released by Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, anamorphic video &lt;strong&gt;should&lt;/strong&gt; be handled correctly with aspect ratio honored in the capture size, I think I&#039;m not ignoring PAR though, and only paying attention to DAR. But it does work right in my tests.
Be sure you&#039;re not using the &#039;&lt;code&gt;--autoaspect&lt;/code&gt;&#039; option by the way, since it hardwires 4/3 aspect ratio for DVD dimensions.

Yep, as far as I know mplayer shows a single &quot;aspect ratio&quot; which is the aspect ratio at which the video would be played (i.e. DAR). PAR and DAR in ffmpeg can become quite puzzling since, I guess, both the container and video stream can be reported simulatenously.

mplayer can scale with the appropriate options (i.e. &quot;&lt;code&gt;-vf scale=640:480&lt;/code&gt;&quot;).

As for the reported dimensions, it displays the video dimensions (actual pixels) not the playback dimensions, which I think is the way to go, since in this context I don&#039;t think it matters if the pixels are square or not. If it displayed e.g. 1024x576 for widescreen PAL DVDs it would be lying since 304 of these pixels would be virtual (conversely if reporting 720x405, 171 pixels would be lost in translation). That&#039;s just my way of thinking.

I&#039;m sending you an email about the getopt stuff :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, anamorphic video <strong>should</strong> be handled correctly with aspect ratio honored in the capture size, I think I&#039;m not ignoring PAR though, and only paying attention to DAR. But it does work right in my tests.<br />
Be sure you&#039;re not using the &#039;<code>--autoaspect</code>&#039; option by the way, since it hardwires 4/3 aspect ratio for DVD dimensions.</p>
<p>Yep, as far as I know mplayer shows a single &#034;aspect ratio&#034; which is the aspect ratio at which the video would be played (i.e. DAR). PAR and DAR in ffmpeg can become quite puzzling since, I guess, both the container and video stream can be reported simulatenously.</p>
<p>mplayer can scale with the appropriate options (i.e. &#034;<code>-vf scale=640:480</code>&#034;).</p>
<p>As for the reported dimensions, it displays the video dimensions (actual pixels) not the playback dimensions, which I think is the way to go, since in this context I don&#039;t think it matters if the pixels are square or not. If it displayed e.g. 1024&#215;576 for widescreen PAL DVDs it would be lying since 304 of these pixels would be virtual (conversely if reporting 720&#215;405, 171 pixels would be lost in translation). That&#039;s just my way of thinking.</p>
<p>I&#039;m sending you an email about the getopt stuff <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.2 released by Dean</title>
		<link>http://outlyer.net/2010-08-24:vcs-1_12-2-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 11:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply Toni,

&quot;...The &#039;&lt;&lt; 1&#039; in this context means &#039;shift left by one bit&#039;...&quot;

Ahh, of course! I only looked it up on the &#039;Advanced Bash Scripting Guide&#039; _INDEX_ page, and apparently they overlooked that usage there. Thanks for the clarification. ;) 

I&#039;ve actually been planning some &#039;bit-banging&#039; of my own lately, so as to swap the field-order in &#039;d2v-files&#039; used by &#039;Avisynth&#039; (through &#039;Wine&#039;), so i should have realised...

The main reason i started digging into your script was to try to modify it to deal with &#039;anamorphic&#039; video, which includes _ALL_ DVD&#039;s as well as any rips made with &#039;PAR&#039; honoured (like my own x264-encodes). Besides the actual screenshot-resolution being incorrect as things stand, the &#039;Dimensions&#039; listed in the header also need consideration - atm all PAL-DVD&#039;s are listed as 720x576 and all NTSC-ones as 720x480, without honouring the disc&#039;s programmed &#039;display-aspect-ratio&#039;, 4:3 or 16:9.

Calculating the correct &#039;display&#039; width is easy enough - it&#039;s either &#039;frame-width * PAR&#039; or &#039;frame-height * DAR&#039;, but some of those variables appear to only be available through ffmpeg, as is the ability to scale the screenshots as they&#039;re taken with the &#039;-s&#039; option (i just realised mplayer might be able to do scaling too, but i haven&#039;t tried yet)...

I&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts on the subject.

On an unrelated note, i have an idea on how to get rid of GNU-getopt, but it might need a long explanation, and this post is too long already, so if you&#039;d like to hear it &#039;off-site&#039;, you have my email-address, or i could post it here at a later date...

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply Toni,</p>
<p>&#034;&#8230;The &#039;&lt;&lt; 1&#039; in this context means &#039;shift left by one bit&#039;&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Ahh, of course! I only looked it up on the &#039;Advanced Bash Scripting Guide&#039; _INDEX_ page, and apparently they overlooked that usage there. Thanks for the clarification. <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#039;ve actually been planning some &#039;bit-banging&#039; of my own lately, so as to swap the field-order in &#039;d2v-files&#039; used by &#039;Avisynth&#039; (through &#039;Wine&#039;), so i should have realised&#8230;</p>
<p>The main reason i started digging into your script was to try to modify it to deal with &#039;anamorphic&#039; video, which includes _ALL_ DVD&#039;s as well as any rips made with &#039;PAR&#039; honoured (like my own x264-encodes). Besides the actual screenshot-resolution being incorrect as things stand, the &#039;Dimensions&#039; listed in the header also need consideration &#8211; atm all PAL-DVD&#039;s are listed as 720&#215;576 and all NTSC-ones as 720&#215;480, without honouring the disc&#039;s programmed &#039;display-aspect-ratio&#039;, 4:3 or 16:9.</p>
<p>Calculating the correct &#039;display&#039; width is easy enough &#8211; it&#039;s either &#039;frame-width * PAR&#039; or &#039;frame-height * DAR&#039;, but some of those variables appear to only be available through ffmpeg, as is the ability to scale the screenshots as they&#039;re taken with the &#039;-s&#039; option (i just realised mplayer might be able to do scaling too, but i haven&#039;t tried yet)&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts on the subject.</p>
<p>On an unrelated note, i have an idea on how to get rid of GNU-getopt, but it might need a long explanation, and this post is too long already, so if you&#039;d like to hear it &#039;off-site&#039;, you have my email-address, or i could post it here at a later date&#8230;</p>
<p>Dean</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.2 released by Toni</title>
		<link>http://outlyer.net/2010-08-24:vcs-1_12-2-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1705</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dean, thanks for your input.

The line you mention is correct although I guess the nested parentheses make it hard to parse.

Emacs is assuming the &#039;&lt;&lt;&#039; starts a heredoc but the &#039;$(( ... ))&#039; parentheses are bash&#039;s mathematical operator, so what&#039;s inside is actually a math operation and not some text.
The &#039;&lt;&lt; 1&#039; in this context means &quot;shift left by one bit&quot;. In case you&#039;ve never seen it, it is a funky way some crazy programmers like me might use to multiply by 2, i.e. &quot;$hv &lt;&lt; 1&quot; is equivalent to &quot;$hv * 2&quot;. It also means the rightmost bit in the number becomes 0 which is why it&#039;s used often in hashing functions (although not in the way I use it).

As for the mplayer+ffmpeg DVD parsing, thanks for the idea, on first look I think I&#039;ll be able to use it :)

Again, thanks for your input and don&#039;t hesitate to ask / suggest anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dean, thanks for your input.</p>
<p>The line you mention is correct although I guess the nested parentheses make it hard to parse.</p>
<p>Emacs is assuming the &#039;&lt;&lt;&#039; starts a heredoc but the &#039;$(( &#8230; ))&#039; parentheses are bash&#039;s mathematical operator, so what&#039;s inside is actually a math operation and not some text.<br />
The &#039;&lt;&lt; 1&#039; in this context means &quot;shift left by one bit&quot;. In case you&#039;ve never seen it, it is a funky way some crazy programmers like me might use to multiply by 2, i.e. &quot;$hv &lt;&lt; 1&quot; is equivalent to &quot;$hv * 2&quot;. It also means the rightmost bit in the number becomes 0 which is why it&#039;s used often in hashing functions (although not in the way I use it).</p>
<p>As for the mplayer+ffmpeg DVD parsing, thanks for the idea, on first look I think I&#039;ll be able to use it <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Again, thanks for your input and don&#039;t hesitate to ask / suggest anything else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.2 released by Dean</title>
		<link>http://outlyer.net/2010-08-24:vcs-1_12-2-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Toni,

Thanks for this script, it&#039;s useful AND educational!

Couple of things; First, is there a typo on line 1075 in the &quot;hash_string&quot; function?

hv=$(( ( ( $hv &lt;&lt; 1 ) + $c ) % $HASH_LIMIT ))

...Emacs thinks that everything after the &quot;&lt;&lt;&quot; is a &quot;here document delimiter&quot;. If it&#039;s correct as is, i&#039;d like to learn its purpose and possibly fix emacs accordingly.

Second, my dvd-drive is useless atm, but i remember previously piping dvd-ouput from mplayer into ffmpeg via a fifo and finding the info generated to be much better than mplayer-alone - for one thing, it won&#039;t &#039;downmix&#039; 6-channel audio automatically. Don&#039;t know if that would be useful to you. The syntax was something like:-

mkfifo piped.vob &amp;&amp;
mplayer dvd:// -dumpstream -dumpfile piped.vob &amp; \
ffmpeg -i piped.vob

...See what you think...

Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toni,</p>
<p>Thanks for this script, it&#039;s useful AND educational!</p>
<p>Couple of things; First, is there a typo on line 1075 in the &#034;hash_string&#034; function?</p>
<p>hv=$(( ( ( $hv &lt;&lt; 1 ) + $c ) % $HASH_LIMIT ))</p>
<p>&#8230;Emacs thinks that everything after the &quot;&lt;&lt;&quot; is a &quot;here document delimiter&quot;. If it&#039;s correct as is, i&#039;d like to learn its purpose and possibly fix emacs accordingly.</p>
<p>Second, my dvd-drive is useless atm, but i remember previously piping dvd-ouput from mplayer into ffmpeg via a fifo and finding the info generated to be much better than mplayer-alone &#8211; for one thing, it won&#039;t &#039;downmix&#039; 6-channel audio automatically. Don&#039;t know if that would be useful to you. The syntax was something like:-</p>
<p>mkfifo piped.vob &amp;&amp;<br />
mplayer dvd:// -dumpstream -dumpfile piped.vob &amp; \<br />
ffmpeg -i piped.vob</p>
<p>&#8230;See what you think&#8230;</p>
<p>Dean</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.1 released by Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You for choosing my little kludge ;)

I consider the current version pretty mature and complete so I&#039;ll take some time until the next iteration. Of course if you have any suggestion feel free to mail me or comment here.

By the way, if you want to be notified of updates you can subscribe to &lt;a href=&quot;http://freshmeat.net/projects/video-contact-sheet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VCS&#039;s freshmeat&lt;/a&gt; page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You for choosing my little kludge <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I consider the current version pretty mature and complete so I&#039;ll take some time until the next iteration. Of course if you have any suggestion feel free to mail me or comment here.</p>
<p>By the way, if you want to be notified of updates you can subscribe to <a href="http://freshmeat.net/projects/video-contact-sheet" rel="nofollow">VCS&#039;s freshmeat</a> page.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.1 released by r*bot</title>
		<link>http://outlyer.net/2010-04-23:vcs-1_12-1-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>r*bot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Toni,
I am using your VCS since a while. I am just here to look for possible updates (still using 1.0.100a) and so I am taking the opportunity to leave a big

&lt;strong&gt;THANK YOU!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Toni,<br />
I am using your VCS since a while. I am just here to look for possible updates (still using 1.0.100a) and so I am taking the opportunity to leave a big</p>
<p><strong>THANK YOU!</strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.1 released by Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike.
I rarely use Windows for multimedia so I can&#039;t say for sure, but when it comes to video previews, two popular choices are &lt;a href=&quot;http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/files/Media%20Player%20Classic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Media Player Classic&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ImageGrabber&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Image Grabber&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess programs will eventually catch up but right now there are many that fail to work flawlessly in Windows 7, specially on the 64-bit version, so I&#039;d recommend you patience and some searching :)

Best regards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike.<br />
I rarely use Windows for multimedia so I can&#039;t say for sure, but when it comes to video previews, two popular choices are <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/files/Media%20Player%20Classic/" rel="nofollow">Media Player Classic</a> and <a href="http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ImageGrabber" rel="nofollow">Image Grabber</a>.</p>
<p>I guess programs will eventually catch up but right now there are many that fail to work flawlessly in Windows 7, specially on the 64-bit version, so I&#039;d recommend you patience and some searching <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best regards!</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.12.1 released by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 14:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,
 I am a senior citizen, and I am not a computer expert. Do you know of a program which allows one to make thumbnails of a video (ie, creates a series of small images in one jpg file for an entire video) and is easy to use on Windows 7? I already have one that works well on Win XP, but it  works only about 50% of the time on Win 7. ( I saw a great image of a flower video somewhere on the inet which was apparently made by you/your software). Thank you very much for any assistance you may offer me in this regard.
                                                      Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,<br />
 I am a senior citizen, and I am not a computer expert. Do you know of a program which allows one to make thumbnails of a video (ie, creates a series of small images in one jpg file for an entire video) and is easy to use on Windows 7? I already have one that works well on Win XP, but it  works only about 50% of the time on Win 7. ( I saw a great image of a flower video somewhere on the inet which was apparently made by you/your software). Thank you very much for any assistance you may offer me in this regard.<br />
                                                      Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on VCS 1.11 released by Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, VCS 1.11.2 should fall pick fonts without errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, VCS 1.11.2 should fall pick fonts without errors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conversión de páginas del manual a PostScript (o pdf) by Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>De nada hombre ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De nada hombre <img src='http://outlyer.net/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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